Stanley A Meyer Vic Matrix 101
Voltage Intensifier Circuit
In This Section we try to Show Version 5 , 10 and 11 of the Voltage intensifier Circuit
The Main Parts are PWM , Driver , Switch and Torroid Transformer .
Stan Wanted to Shorten Cell so he had to raise voltage, The longer the cell the more gas you get with less voltage. We Suggest you start and Master Versions 1 ,2,3 and 4 first, before moving to the Version 5, 10 ,11 of Vic.
MAIN 2 Doc we give you FREE
Also Study the Basic before jumping into building these torroid transformer versions
A Core Builder stated it was all done in the GMC. Generation of signal. syncing. setting DC offset etc.
Even though I have been looking at circuits I did catch that the analog wave started in Variable Pulse Generator until I did an analysis of the circuit.
As I go I planning to check and apply This sites comment where he said to do something.
I guess I look at things a little different I am used to starting with a set of requirements, then having test plans and procedures to verify what you build meets requirements.
The analysis I did of the above two circuit started that process for me.
By defining inputs and outputs it told me things that were important to Stan.
I even started a requirements document to try and trace what needs to be done to build system which is very difficult given however thing is interrelated.
I did find I could figure most of it out give I have the circuit diagram and also the component values. For me it would be an impossible tasks without those.
Google has been a great help as I can usually find someone who describes what part does wired the way it is in the circuit.
It also help have read most of the posts in here and a lot Stan's documents so I have a general ideal what it is suppose to do. WO 92/07861, where most of the circuit diagrams come from. was a great general overview. With all that I did tackle the two analog voltage circuits and drafted 2 more analysis documents.
I have a better feeling for what these circuit actually do and I am pretty sure I see where the DC offset in the signal is getting set (OFF SET) in Voltage Amplitude Control circuit as said it was done using a 741 configure as in this circuit this location make sense.
I always though the two analog circuit were located together until I was looking for the pots for the Voltage Analog Control circuit. Found these pots on VIC front panel and that the Analog Voltage Generator shares front panel with Digital Control Means card.
What I did not find yet is where the Analog Pulse train is created from the clock signal, though I now believe it is being done on the Digital Control Means Card, as the same chip that preforms that function for the digital pulse is on the it.
I did a quick look and the analog "clock pulse" goes through this chip and output of the Means card goes into Analog Voltage generator as a pulse train.
It appears that several of the other circuits from WO 92/07861 on the VIC card. I have a redrawn set of circuits looks like they are on VIC,
The Voltage Intensifier Circuit the VIC
is partly based on Tesla's Work.
Stan made several versions of the system aprox 10 versions , see assembly version map page.
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Electrolysis of water is the decomposition of water into oxygen and hydrogen
gas due to the passage of an electric current.
Wikipedia - Electrolysis YES but that s not what we do Stans is different
Adding electrolyte would be required for efficient electrolysis of distilled water,
if you did not want to do anything new and wanted to use the old outdated technology of electrolysis
Making Hydrogen can be done without it.
Tap water has enough impurities to start electrolysis without adding any additional electrolytes.
But again this is not what we are doing unless you want to use outdated technology
Electrolysis this is statement is old outdated technology
Wiki is dealing with history not the current state of the art.
Electrolysis by definition is using electrolytes
does no work on current not a current load driven system near zero amps or low amps
and does not have electrolytes to caused load draw. has a gate and 3 rest time to avoid amp draw,
cell is a capacitor and built like one to advance it.
it is preferred to be double distilled water as the end water fuel / gas has mor force which pure
but yes tap water works in voltrolysis and not in electrolysis
but not as well due to contaminates and minerals put in it ,
Voltrolysis works on voltage Stans method is in no way related or close to electrolysis in any form
Just so we are clear. Salts electrolytes ground the water gas and static charges in the water tanks and gas this makes the resulting gas implosive. a negative charged water in a bubbler will do same
Not the gas we are looking for as out dated technology as random mixed implosive hho old tech..
Voltrolysis maintains DBD barrier voltage build up in the cell and avoids grounding the water fuel / gas and tank,
thus allowing surface tension to build with the + charge and allows a cold process. to aid the saturations of Nano bubbles and explosive gas to bee produced due to electron extraction to + surface this is further aided by electron extract techniques.
Current State of the art is Voltrolysis no electrolytes.
Only Fools talk about or continue using electrolysis
(similar to talking about using a dial land line phone when we have smart phones?)
This patent has the 5khz in it. He pulses it at 5khz because of the frequency doubling effect you get 10khz. He also gives an example of the gating frequency. He also states if you use larger capacitors than a 3 inch the frequency can be up to and above 50khz.
What everyone needs to understand is he is using the water as his load resistance.
That is what he is tuning into the resistive load of the water.
Which gets us back to full transfer of power from the source which is the primary voltage.
In order to get full transfer of power from the primary to the load
the secondary circuit has to be impedance matched to the source of power.
That's where capacitance of the cell is turned into capacitance reactance and the inductor is turned into inductive reactance to get the impedance of the secondary circuit to match the source.
Let say you have 60 volts after voltage drops on the primary side and it has a 75 ohm source impedance,
then it needs to see a 75 ohm load impedance on the secondary side to be matched in order to get 60 volts full transfer from the source.
It is a little more complex than that but is a good idea of what is going on.
Once you do the number crunching on the reactances of both the inductor and capacitor you should see how it would raise the frequency instead of lower it.
Just remember you are working on the water's resistance.
If the primary can't transfer it's power to the secondary then everything on the primary side
turns to heat and you burn up things, and that's where you get your voltage losses
from on the secondary side.
Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
What is the Total Z of this circuit using Stan's formulas?
You can work out the Z value of the L1 and L2 along with the capacitance value from the chart below and the formulas from the Tech Brief Eq 1,8,9.
This will be with air core values. Also notice where the #(10) shows up.
Only thing I see 10 of is the ohms for the cells.
Also I find it interesting that I appears many people do not seem to build the feedback coil even though uses the Z value in all his calculations including the turns calculations.
Once I figured out I need to add more turns to primary to get 10.5 ohms of resistance I became worried about turns ratio.
The process looked right is excel spread sheet above I did not trust the turns ratios was correct, so I went back to Ronnie’s other thread and found this. Which shows I need a ratio of 5.567 to 1. Will not know if I get close enough until I actually wind the wire. I plan to start out with primary winding know length of wire that is equal to 10.5 ohms.
Coil winder will then give me number of turns for this resistance. Will do the same for secondary to see how close I get turns ratio. There were comments about being something than you have to play with to get correct.
Given a fix resistance and fixed turns ratio only thing in this system I can see you can change is spool width. I expect the changing the secondary would have the most effect do to increased length of each turn as you add more wire. There is some discussion about this issue in the thread.
In this post he also explains coil relation to secondary and goal of getting voltage potential across coil plates.
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Using Stan's Vic and the numbers Don gave us as an example, I will attempt to show how to impedance match it all.
Question is what is the purpose of Impedance matching?
The answer is Watts in must equal Watts out. (Isn't that right Mr. Watts: clap:)
Let's start with the Primary, I have already show it has 10 ohms of impedance in it and how it is calculated.
Line(Primary) side=10 ohms
Next we use a transformer (Amplifier) to match the Load side.
we need to know the total resistance of the load side.
Secondary side= 72.4+76.7+70.1+Re78.54+11.5=310 ohms
Now that we have a total resistance of the line side of 10ohms
and a total resistance of the load side of 310ohms
Next we take the 310ohms and 10ohms and use this formula to get the turn ratio.
Ns/Np=sqrt Zs/Zp sqrt (310/10)=5.567
So we need a turn ratio of 5.567 to 1
We know our line voltage is 12volts We can times this by the turn ratio of 5.567 which is =66.816 Load Voltage
Now we have our load voltage.
Next we calculate the load watts
using formula (66.816 ^2)/310ohms= 14.4 watts
That's how you do it. :bliss:
The 11.5 is the feedback coil.....and yes that is correct the chokes must match the secondary....That's why if you take turns off the L2 they must be added back to L1.
In Stan's example secondary is 73ohms close enough, then 76ohm for the L1 and 70 for L2 if you take 3ohms off the L1 and put that 3 ohms back on the L2 you can see they all match to 73ohms. Why does he do this? It's to get the slight potential difference in voltage needed on the chokes.
Yea My brain can't keep all this straight, that's the reason for the spreadsheet. Too much math to deal with all at the same time. Now you can see when someone ask me a question, how my brain gets all scrambled.
Before doing anything else I decided to see what my systems would look like with 29 gage wire.
I used the information from the primary coil I wound to estimate the ohms per turn and came up 0.0156omhs/ft. (Coil I wound was 8.4 ohms and 540 turns so I divided 8.4/540 to get this estimate). I then used this number to estimate the number of turns required to get the required ohms for each coil.
Finally, I added all the secondary side turns include the one for Re and divided it my primary turns and got 29.45143.
This is close to 30 a 30:1 ratio. I am not sure if this is correct but none of the other ratios seemed correct. I include Re even though there is not a coil for it as
Re ohm value was include by Ronnie in doing his calculations and it did not seem right to leave it out. I do know there will be some changes in value as length of turn on larger coils will be slightly longer which should reduce number of turns required to reach desired ohm value.
Table below is from my excel sheet I used repeat Ronnie’s calculations. I find do the calculations myself helps me understand where numbers come from and why. Again, the turns work at this point is an estimate to see if I was even in the right ball part.
As the above table gave close to a 1:30 ratio I will continue winding coils to see what results I actually get. As I want to get keep the ohm values close to numbers above, I am planning on winding the number of feet of wire that should give me desired ohm value.
This means I will need a method to accurately determine desire length of each coil. To do this I build a jig that I can wind wire on. It will be two spools 5 feet apart mounted on a board, so each wrap is 10 feet long. Using spools this far apart I should be easily able to fit the longest length.
Note: There was some discussion in the thread about dealing with turns ratio and resistance mainly that one effects the other.
Discussion did not say which is more important other than Ronnie’s comment to not mess with turns ratio. See his discussion on keeping Secondary, C1 and C2 ohms around 73 ohms and taking turns off C2 and putting them on to keep total ohm value of those two coils at average of 73 ohms. i.e. for each turn taken off C2 one needs to be put back on C1.
Which means you need to have enough wire available to do that. It was recommended that you leave wire on C1 and C2 long enough to adjust the balance which means you should have some length of wire that is not on the coils.
This means you will have some wire and ohms that are not in turns calculation. Extra wire resistance is this there until satisfied with balance, but it will not be in magnetic field, so I am not sure how to account for this.
At this point I still do not have cells, just trying to understand why this piece is the way it is and if I can build it correctly even though I understand adjustment of C1 and C2 require properly configured cells. Ronnie even states you need to start with cells and build to them not the other way around as they define load you trying to balance.
I have rewound about 70 feet of wire that I took off the primary coil on to the Feedback coil as I calculated half of 11.5 was slightly over 70 feet. Turned out to be slight less than 70 feet to give 5.75 ohms (measured). Once I add the center tap for the 5-volt offset I will add another 70 feet. Turns actual wire resistance is slightly high that estimated reference number I was using.
I wound it this way a that is what circuit diagram shows. I think I read others have wound both wire at the same time. I have been trying to figure out which is the correct way and it may not matter the way it is connect to K14. Voltage difference is not issue as it phasing of the signal is what is being used.
This video explains some of the method,
though we can also call this voltage bounce.
Brad explains this here we know that only dc will make bubbles to have a bounce turning it to ac is not desirable as we want to have a Positive
and negative to split the water , Also we need to hold voltage in the cell with the diode to keep the voltage doing work.
If we let the AC bounce over run the Dc Bias in system we stop the effect from occurring this is why they had the PLL and carefully placed diodes to control some of the bounce to remain basis dc.
Biased Wave Form DC to Make Hydrogen is required
If you have a Biased AC wave form you will get some hydrogen.
PLL Adjust for the type of water, not vital for circuit to work.
Stan Also had EC electron extraction after Diode
before cell to reduce bounce and tamp and loop back power released from water bonds.
Basically a LC Tank Circuit
LC Resonance inductor and cell Capacitor
known inductance known capacitance can calculator the resonance target needed to resonant cell with inductor
and can calculate impedance (working resistance)
Exit Plan if you fail on replicating Version 5 ,10 &11
We hope this dose not happen, but if it does it just means you jumped ahead of your own skills too fast , Go back a few versions and start with easier circuits, From Stanley A Meyer.
Since we Are dealign with 1000's of builder over the years we cam up with the ideal exit path from one of the builder who posted this, Swap out the Torroid to a Bifilar. Choke and run in 0 to 600dc Variac to your switch.
Your Cell will come to life Making Water Fuel Good Luck God Speed.
Searching in the Ravi VIC circuit,
one great builder found that one of the diodes were badly connected,
He made the following modification in his schematic,
By doing so he made sure that the capacitor does not discharge and he could use a gated-pulse with a lower activity cycle with the same gas production.
He managed that with 76ma yes, 76 milliamps gas is produced decently and also the cell remains totally cold, even when leaving it working overnight it did not heat up a bit. Instead the IRFP250 power transistor heated up somewhat like the 1200v 40a diode.
Another observation he made was the following :
The assembled two-wire coil works much better with a ferrite core that has a small gap between iron in the center of the core.
This air gap (a portion of approximately 1 mm missing in the center of the "E") stores energy as it does in a flyback core, when the magnetic field collapses generates the high voltage we want in the cell.
This is a method since when trying another core without iron, it did not get good results.
Well I leave an update of the VIC circuit. Basically this is Version 3 and 4
The PWM wave is square, 5 pulses in 1 and 5 pulses 0, (5 khz with overlayed 5 khz gate)
the coil is bifilar of 100 turns with a ferrite core, the 3 tubes are connected in series, the frequency goes from 1khz to 40khz, Make a more professional circuits use Stans the 9xa and 9xb circuits